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  • « Jay Fox Blogging at Longevity First | Main | A Good Reception »

    Friday, January 28, 2005

    Phil Bowermaster on "Where's the Rage"

    Phil Bowermaster of the Speculist has some interesting things to say about Jay Fox's piece on healthy life extension and advocacy entitled "Where's the Rage":

    Our ancestors engaged in a war against death that we're still fighting today. They threw everything they had and everything they could think up at the enemy, and as a result we now have science and medicine and religion and, really, the whole of human culture. They were relentless and tenacious fighters, but (being rational creatures) they understood the limitations of the war they were able to wage. As a group, the clan/tribe/people would fight on until the end of time, making what progress they could against death. But as individuals, it had to be acknowledged that each and every soldier would one day fall to the enemy.

    That was a terrible thing. An unacceptable thing. But it had to be accepted anyway. Refusing to acknowledge the inevitability of death would have made as much sense as refusing to acknowledge the inevitability of gravity. It was pointless, and you would go crazy if you thought too much about that kind of thing.

    ...

    unfortunately, I think the only way we'll get to the point where people no longer "know" that death from aging is inevitable is when we have some very youthful 80-120 year olds who can attest to it personally. Yes, a lot of people will needlessly die between now and then. But again, we're talking about an unprecedented paradigm shift. Once we cross that particular chasm, my guess is that things will happen very fast. The rage that Jay is looking for will be awakened, and it will completely reshape our world.

    You might recall that Phil has an article at the Longevity Meme that gives a good overview of his thoughts on the topic of aging and death. Personally, I think we can do better than Phil's guess at the future in that last paragraph above - the very existence of the anti-aging industry shows that people are very forward-looking and anticipatory in this matter.

    Posted by Reason at January 28, 2005 11:41 AM | TrackBack (0)

    Posted by: Phil Bowermaster at January 28, 2005 12:05 PM

    I hope you're right, Reason. But I think the people who are currently forward-looking in this matter are like the few (very few) people who would have given the Montgolfier or Wright brothers the time of day before they made their historic flights. After they made their flights is a different story.

    [Posted by: Phil Bowermaster at January 28, 2005 12:05 PM]

    Posted by: Reason at January 28, 2005 2:35 PM

    I hope I'm right too! But ultimately it's a Pascal's Wager - we have to proceed assuming that we can make a difference sooner; so many lives are at stake, including our own. Huge upside, no significant downside.

    [Posted by: Reason at January 28, 2005 2:35 PM]

    Posted by: Anne LeBlanc at May 15, 2005 11:54 AM

    When you say "So much effort is currently going into blocking medical advances and slowing down progress" I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Because, to my knowledge, there is no effort going into blocking medical advances. The things you cite, skin grafts, heart repair, and repair of immune systems, are part of vigorous work going on in adult stem cell research and clinical trials. Perhaps what slows down medical advances in stem cell research is the moving of funding away from these successful areas to instead look for the "magic bullet" of embryonic stem cell research, where a stem cell could turn into any type of tissue. Is that what you mean by "blocking" advances?

    [Posted by: Anne LeBlanc at May 15, 2005 11:54 AM]

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