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  • « Kass, Brownback, Suppression of Medical Research | Main | Accelerating Longevity and No Comment »

    Saturday, March 19, 2005

    Entropy and Gravity, a Useful Analogy

    Entropy crops up here and there in debates over the feasibility of developing working anti-aging medicine. For example, see Preston Estep's comments, which sum up the "entropy is bad for the prospects of healthy life extension" position:

    In plain English, the loss of order and information essential for biological function. The general concept of biological entropy encompasses several dynamic phenomena ... It is difficult to imagine how the information-rich order that is established during embryogenesis and development can be restored or replicated.

    This sort of argument is considered to be an unhelpful, wrong or irrelevant by - so far as I can see - most scientists in the field. Steve Harris put forward a very useful analogy on the Gerontology Research Group e-mail list just the other day:

    I mean "entropy" as a law of physics has to do with aging in the same way that "gravity" has to do with the cause of airline crashes. It's a necessary but not sufficient condition. And even more than that, you wouldn't expect the FAA report in any given crash to spend much time discussing gravity, in trying to figure out the factors that are the cause of an airline crash. Similarly, in that sense, I think that discussion of entropy in discussions of aging, is wasting time.

    In talking about the "causes" of aging, I presume we mean the differential and explanatory causes of aging. In that sense, invoking "entropy" is no more explanatory than "gravity" as a cause of airline disasters.

    In terms of where I stand, I think it's fairly self-evident that if we can learn to repair an aging car, we can learn to repair an aging human. Yes, it's many, many times more difficult - but but both cars and humans are machines composed of many working parts. As such, the best thing we can do (as opposed to say, discussing entropy or gravity) is to accelerate research into understanding and fixing age-related damage to our health.

    Posted by Reason at March 19, 2005 1:32 AM | TrackBack (0)

    Posted by: John at October 5, 2005 12:08 PM

    Hello. I am new to this discussion, however, I have some nuance theories of my own. Is it being said here that aging can be ultimately,if not impartially, affected by gravity? Please respond soon. Thank you.

    [Posted by: John at October 5, 2005 12:08 PM]

    Posted by: Reason at October 5, 2005 5:14 PM

    The level of gravity may or may not affect the rate of degenerative aging, but that's not under discussion in this entry.

    [Posted by: Reason at October 5, 2005 5:14 PM]

    Posted by: Robert T. Balmer at October 2, 2006 7:43 AM

    The "aging" process in living systems can be effectively interpreted through a complete Entropy Rate Balance equation. By examining the entropy flux and production rate terms in this equation it becomes clear that what we observe as "biological aging" is a process controlled by the magnitude of the system's entropy production rate. The larger this term becomes, the faster the system demonstrates the symptoms of biological aging. For more on this concept see pp.710-714 of my text "Thermodynamics", West Pub. Co., 1990.

    [Posted by: Robert T. Balmer at October 2, 2006 7:43 AM]

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