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  • « Height and Longevity | Main | Upsets at Alcor »

    Friday, September 2, 2005

    Talking Klotho at the Immortality Institute

    A good discussion is underway in the Immortality Insitute forums on the topic of the recent klotho research. Michael Rae suggests that this was yet another experiment in which life span was not measured against the proper control groups - something that has bedeviled much research in mice in the past, and that calorie restriction groups have spent a fair amount of time and energy discussing.

    All that the extra klotho dose did was move the 2 transgenics closer to - and in no case fully! - the average and maximum lifespan expected of mice that aren't genetically disfavored or in poor husbandry conditions. In the case of the females, the effect is nearly negligible; since the data were never formally reported, I'm guessing that the difference was statistically nonsignificant, as I suggest it was also "clinically" and scientifically.

    Of course, a zillion things - melatonin, cysteine, hydroxylamine, alpha-tocopherol, ethoxyquin, 2-mercaptoethylamine, etc etc - do this. This tells us something about how antioxidants can counter the abuse of poor animal husbandry or bad genes, but it doesn't tell us anything about basically healthy animals - and even less about aging per se.

    Michael goes on to make a point I agree with wholeheartedly:

    What is needed is interventions which directly target aging damage.

    Klotho is not that, even if the experimental conclusions are validated - slowing aging via metabolic tweaks is not the way to radical life extension.

    Posted by Reason at September 2, 2005 12:39 AM | TrackBack (0)

    Posted by: BILL SCHNEIKART at December 14, 2005 11:12 AM

    IS KLOTHO AVAILABLE OVER THE COUNTER OR BY SCRIPT AND IF SO WHERE? BILL SCHNEIKART

    [Posted by: BILL SCHNEIKART at December 14, 2005 11:12 AM]

    Posted by: Reason at December 14, 2005 7:39 PM

    Klotho is a gene, and investigations are still in the earliest stages. Assuming that these investigations go the way of research into calorie restriction genetics over the past few years - a big assumption in and of itself - I would think it would be at least ten years before any sort of therapy became commercially available. On top of that, it is quite unlikely that this therapy would be something you could buy over the counter...

    [Posted by: Reason at December 14, 2005 7:39 PM]

    Posted by: BGD at March 4, 2007 8:23 AM

    Please find following article that suggests that the premature aging in klotho mutant mice is a secondary effect.

    Premature aging in klotho mutant mice: cause or consequence? in Ageing Research Reviews (2007).

    http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.arr.2007.02.002

    [Posted by: BGD at March 4, 2007 8:23 AM]

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