"We are on the verge of a revolution in medicine: understanding, treating, and ultimately preventing the causes of degenerative aging. But medical revolutions only happen if we all stand up in support of funding and research. We did it for cancer. We're doing it for Alzheimer's. We can do it for aging - and create an era of longer, healthier lives!"

Required Reading
Activism and Advocacy
Calorie Restriction
The Community, Visualized
Cryonics
Healthy Life Extension Explained
Introductory Articles
Longevity Meme Newsletter
Methuselah Foundation
Mprize for Longevity Research
Stem Cells, Regenerative Medicine
SENS, Negligible Senescence
What is Anti-Aging?

On the Causes of Aging
Accumulating AGEs
The Failing Immune System
Junk in the Lysosome
Mitochondrial Free Radicals
Senescent Cells
Other Causes of Aging

Objections Answered
Boredom
Inequality and Economics
Overpopulation
Stagnation
The Tithonus Error
What About Retirement?

Recent Entries

  • Thoughts on Engineered Longevity and Selfishness
  • A Little More On Preventing Decline in Liver Function With Age
  • The Quest for Clearly Understood Signifiers
  • The Endocrine System, Longevity, and Methionine
  • There Are Old People and Fat People, But Few Old Fat People
  • More Cryonics History From Depressed Metabolism
  • Attitudes of Aging Researchers To Healthy Life Extension
  • Three Decades From Now
  • On Stem Cells, Aging, and Latexin
  • IGF-1, FOXO and Telomeres at Ouroboros
  • An Interview With Dave Gobel of the Methuselah Foundation
  • Tear Down the FDA
  • Advancing Knowledge of Stem Cells in the Brain
  • On the Psychology of Longevity Advocacy
  • Casting an Eye Upon Alcor's Board
  • The Murky Depths of Parkinson's Disease
  • How To Tell Whether It's Working
  • Gregory Stock at Aging 2008
  • Preparation is Only Helpful When Done Before You Need It
  • Cancer and Immune System Proficiency

    Weblogs of Interest
    Accelerating Future
    Ageing Research
    Anti-Ageing Research
    Alcor News
    Al Fin Longevity
    April's CR Diary
    Andart
    Biosingularity
    CRON Diary
    Cryonics Society
    Depressed Metabolism
    Distributed Republic
    Ethical Technology Blog
    Existence is Wonderful
    Frontier Channel
    Future Current
    FuturePundit
    grailsearch.org
    Longevity Science
    Marginal Revolution
    Metamagician and the Hellfire Club
    Methuselah Foundation Blog
    Mises Economics Blog
    Nanodot
    Ouroboros
    Overcoming Bias
    Pimm - Partial immortalization
    Responsible Nanotechnology
    ScienceBlogs
    Sentient Developments
    Singularity Institute Blog
    The Loom
    The Speculist
    Tangled Bank
    Transumanar

      
    Search

    Archives (Monthly)

    August 2008
    July 2008
    June 2008
    May 2008
    April 2008
    March 2008
    February 2008
    January 2008
    December 2007
    November 2007
    October 2007
    September 2007
    August 2007
    July 2007
    June 2007
    May 2007
    April 2007
    March 2007
    February 2007
    January 2007
    December 2006
    November 2006
    October 2006
    September 2006
    August 2006
    July 2006
    June 2006
    May 2006
    April 2006
    March 2006
    February 2006
    January 2006
    December 2005
    November 2005
    October 2005
    September 2005
    August 2005
    July 2005
    June 2005
    May 2005
    April 2005
    March 2005
    February 2005
    January 2005
    December 2004
    November 2004
    October 2004
    September 2004
    August 2004
    July 2004
    June 2004
    May 2004
    April 2004
    March 2004
    February 2004
    January 2004

    Creative Commons License
    Attribution, noncommercial, no derivative works. Play nice.

  • « Gene Therapy, Sequencing at The Scientist | Main | A Brace of Unrelated Articles »

    Sunday, February 12, 2006

    Incidental SENS Versus Deliberate SENS, Timescales

    The Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senscence (SENS), put forward by biomedical gerontologist Aubrey de Grey, form a high-level scientific plan of attack, focused on the root causes of age-related degeneration. In essence, it is a declaration that scientists know enough and science is capable enough to move rapidly towards a cure for aging - and all age-related disease. I have this to say in the Longevity Meme introduction to SENS:

    Progress in any one area of SENS science is likely to lead to therapies for a class of age-related diseases. It is not unreasonable to expect the research community - motivated as it is to seek cures for specific diseases - to slowly fill in the gaps in SENS as time moves on.

    ...

    Making gains in SENS science in unrelated bits and pieces is likely to be a slow path for progress towards meaningful healthy life extension, however. Curing any one age-related condition is a wonderful thing for sufferers, but it will not increase healthy life span for anyone else - nor will it lead directly to therapies that can extend healthy life span without further investment and work. It would be much more cost-effective to directly address the root cause of aging and age-related disease.

    Incidental rejuvenation of age-related cellular damage may just happen at some point as a matter of course, engineered in bits and pieces by a hundred different scientists working on a hundred different problems. As I point out above, however, don't expect "at some point" to arrive soon enough to be of any help to you personally.

    Aubrey de Grey's proposed timeline for the direct, cut-to-the-chase approach can be found at the SENS website:

    the first major SENS [milestone, reversal of aging, will] be achieved with laboratory mice. I also consider that it will be the point at which society becomes convinced that curing aging is very urgent, and that it will kick-start a genuine "War on Aging".

    My estimate for the time until this milestone is reached, if there is adequate funding [of the order of $100 million / year], is ten years from now; almost certainly not as soon as seven years, but very likely to be less than 20 years. If funding is sluggish this could be doubled.

    ...

    the second major SENS milestone [can] reasonably be defined as the arrival of therapies that confer a postponement and repair of human aging proportional to that described for mice in milestone 1, i.e. a tripling of our remaining life expectancy with therapies initiated on our late fifties or so. Inevitably I call this "Robust Human Rejuvenation" or RHR.

    My estimate for the time until this milestone is reached, starting from the time that the mouse target is achieved, is 15 years; almost certainly not as soon as five years, and could be as much as 100 years. Note that this time I make no caveats about funding, because I think it is inconceivable that shortage of funds will be allowed to slow down this work once milestone 1 is achieved.

    A number of us feel that the lower end of this range of timelines is impractical for simple business and commercialization reasons - it takes a decade to get anything out of a laboratory and to patients these days, and that looks to be getting worse before it gets better. Equally, the far upper end starts to look a little silly if you give any credence to Kurzweilian or similar views of the decades ahead - the technology curve four decades from now is going to be very impressive indeed.

    The possession of impressive and advanced medical technology does not guarantee that we'll do all that we can with it, however. The laundry list of goals that could have been accomplished over the past 50 years - but were not - is a very long one. Supporting and advocating directed research that explicitly aims to greatly extend our healthy life spans is not a matter of hastening an outcome that was inevitable - it is a matter of ensuring that it happens at all.

    100,000 lives are lost to the end results of aging with each and every day of delay, and hundreds of millions more suffer from age-related disease. We can do better than incidental healthy life extension - we can get out there and make it happen within our lifetimes.

    Technorati tags: ,

    Posted by Reason at February 12, 2006 8:13 PM | TrackBack (11)

    Posted by: Kip Werking at February 12, 2006 9:21 PM

    I agree that the two milestones are too ambitious and humble, respectively. I also think de Grey overestimates the effect that a 10 year old mouse would have on the public. Pro-death people will renounce their views, not when a fountain of youth is created, but when they are on their death bed, and they need it.

    [Posted by: Kip Werking at February 12, 2006 9:21 PM]

    Post a comment; thoughtful, considered opinions are valued. Please note that comments incorporating ad hominem attacks, advertising and other forms of inappropriate behavior are likely to be deleted.










    Remember personal info?