Arguing By Induction For an Absence of Boredom in an Ageless, Greatly Extended Healthy Life

It is usually the case that the first knee-jerk reaction in opposition to increased human longevity is based on the mistaken belief that life extension technologies would lead to people being ever more frail and decrepit for a very long time. This is far from the case, and it's probably not even possible to cost-effectively engineer a society of long-lived frail people - even if that was the goal to hand. If you are frail and decrepit then you have a high mortality rate due to the level of age-related cellular and molecular damage that is causing the failure and degeneration of your body and its organs. You won't be around for long. No, the only way to engineer longer healthy life is extend the period of youth and vitality, a time in which you have little age-related damage and your mortality rate is very low. Most present strategies are aimed to prolong that period of life, either by slowing the rate at which damage occurs (not so good) or finding ways to periodically repair the damage and thus rejuvenate the patient (much better).

Once people grasp that longevity science is the effort to make people younger for far longer, then the second knee-jerk objection arises. This is the belief that a very long-lived individual would become overwhelmed by boredom: they would run out of interest and novelty. This is by far the sillier objection, and there is absolutely no rational basis for it. Even a few moments of thought should convince you that there is far more to do and learn that you could achieve in a thousand life spans - and it's a little early in the game to be objecting to enhanced longevity on the basis that you can't think of what to do with life span number number 1001.

Considering boredom, futility, meaningless, and related matters, I noticed what appears to be an argument by induction in the article below. Mathemetical induction is a tool used in formal proofs wherein if you can prove that something is generally true for n and n+1 (where n is a natural number), and then show that it is true for 1, then you can conclude it must be true for all natural numbers. If it is true for 1, then it must be true for 1+1 = 2, and true for 2+1 = 3, and so on.

Life Extension Leads to Meaningless Days? NO!

Person X lives a fulfilling and meaningful life for X number of years before that life is terminated by a sudden, massive heart attack.Now, imagine another person whom we shall label (not too creatively) 'Person 2′. Person 2′s life follows the same general path as person 1 with one exception: It is one day longer than person 1′s was. Now ask yourself: Is there any reason to suppose that this day, let us assume it is aTuesday, strikes person 2 as being meaningless despite the fact that all Tuesdays (and indeed every other day in person 2′s past) seemed worth living?

OK, so now imagine yet another person who goes by the label of... yes, you guessed it, Person 3. You can probably also guess that Person 3 lives one day longer than person 2. Once again, I can think of no reason why, where we have two people who live meaningful lives but one lives one day longer, that extra day would not seem worth experiencing. Put another way: If possible would persons 2 and 1 rather not be dead on Wednesday (the last day for person 3) when Monday and all preceding days were worth experiencing? So far as I can see, the answer to that question is, 'yes'. There seems to be no reason why this argument should not hold for any number of hypothetical people, each one of which lives one day longer than the last.

Unfortunately you can't prove conjectures about aspects of human nature with induction (or not yet, at least). What you can do is use it, as above, to mount a more convincing argument. This one is somewhat akin to one of the standard lines in any debate between a person who is in favor of greatly extending healthy life versus someone who isn't.

Advocate: So you are fine with aging and dying?

Deathist: Yes.

Advocate: So you are fine with dying right now, done and finished?

Deathist: Well, no.

Advocate: Why would you think any differently ten days, or a hundred days, or decades from now, if you still had your health and vigor?

Deathist: Um...

There seems to be a strange disconnect in many people's minds, in which they are vigorously in favor of being alive right this instant or next week, but they nonetheless believe that their future self of years ahead will be of a different opinion and want to die. Now if you're on the downhill slope of aging, in great pain, and your body is falling apart, desiring a stopping point is not unreasonable. (With the best of present options for those in that position being cryonics). But in a world of rejuvenation therapies, in which older life is just as healthy, low-risk, and full of possibility as younger life, what mysterious thing is going make people want to die?


I too find it amazing how often I've heard the 'boredom' argument when I'm advocating robust life extension in my social circles.
I generally propose the scenario of someone suffering a great personal loss (financial loss, loss of loved one etc.) and the person wanting to end their life prematurely due to the grief, then asking what would they (the boredom advocate) do, typically the answer is to talk the person out of ending their life. Then I propose the scenario of what if someone wanted to end their life prematurely because they're bored. If the insanity of their argument is still not apparent I asure them life extension technology wont be put in the town drinking water so they are welcome to die the old fashon way.

Posted by: Wayne at June 14th, 2013 2:19 AM

Correction - "Even a few moments of thought should convince you that there is far more (THAT REASON) is able to do and learn that (Reason) could achieve in a thousand life spans."

Problem is most people do not have the Geek mind set that Reason has to get interested in all those things - people get bored easily. There is no rational basis for it in the mind of Reason and other people of his mind set. But to the rest of the world there is nothing rational about wanting to prolong a dull and boring life, that is just ridiculous. Most people (call them Mundanes) do not have what I call a Geek mind, by that I mean they cannot find endless things to interest them, they get bored easily. They are not mentally capable of spending a month reading and re-reading a poem such as the Wasteland or even completing a book such as Ulysses just for fun - their brains are not wired for this. They may do it for a University Degree - but generally they want more simple quick pleasures - they do not have the kind of mind that can focus focus focus on the almost infinite variety of things that can be done on planet earth.

Geeks are a tiny minority - when Aubrey Speaks, When Kurzweil Speaks When Reason Speaks, it is only the Geeks that listen - the Mundanes do not care, except to poke fun at it in the media. And the Geeks do not have the money to make SENS happen because they have many Geeky interests other than SENS to spend money on.

The Geeks need Mundanes money and to get that they need to offer Mundanes the more superficial aspects of SENS such as healthier skin and a better sex drive. Maybe this will act as Trojan horse bringing longevity to the Mundanes biology without them actually wanting it. And maybe then they will accept it or not.

You need to offer the Mundanes something superficial to get hold of their money to finance your dreams of longevity. Their dreams will likely never involve longevity.

Posted by: Geoff at June 14th, 2013 5:21 AM

Children complain about boredom a lot, which shows that the emotion exists independently of the quantify of life experience. I guess when your 8 year old says, "I'm bored," he or she has already lived too long and should commit suicide to terminate his or her existential weariness.

Posted by: Mark Plus at June 14th, 2013 11:54 AM

I get bored sometimes. I've never gotten so bored that I LITTERALLY WANTED TO BE DEAD! Heh heh. That's just ridiculous.

Posted by: Nathan Voodoo at June 17th, 2013 6:22 PM

This article made me laugh out of recognition - it is absolutely absurd how many of us instinctively think that a long life = a boring life. As if one could run out of adventures to embark on and lessons to learn. The possibilities are actually endless. Most of us stick within one career, one socioeconomic status, one set of values our entire lives...imagine a society in which an individual could live long enough to truly experiment outside of their box? Would leave no room for boredom, I imagine.

Posted by: Anti Aging Blog at June 17th, 2013 11:23 PM

Geoff - excellent observations! This is exactly what I think too.

Posted by: Mark at June 22nd, 2013 8:55 PM
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